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   Ken

   February 21, 2008 at 4:13 am

   You forgot proliferation concerns, although it’s implied in point number 6.

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   Ken

   February 21, 2008 at 7:38 am

   First, I agree that safety is the primary concern, the MIT study says that newer designs are expected to have a 10E5 accident rate. I also agree that the economics are a problem. The report states that this may not be insurmountable.

   Here are some points that need attention:

   “Studies performed by MIT, Commission on Energy, and International Atomic Energy Agency all agree that approximately 1500 to 2000 new atomic reactors would have to be built to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by enough to make a meaningful difference.”

   Then what hope do the alternative forms have of doing anything?

   “There are currently 449 nuclear power stations (approx), If we were running around 2000 reactors in total we would exhaust our main uranium reserves in a few decades. We would then need to mine lower grade uranium, this would itself cause more greenhouse emissions. If the potential 2000 reactors were used to replace the coal stations, we would have a 20% reduction in greenhouse emissions. If used as a new capacity to replace true renewable sources, then our emissions would actually increase.”

   This assumes slavish utilization of virgin uranium. It ignores the potential of breeder reactors, either a U238 or Th232 based fuel cycles which would last thousands of years.

   “Construction of 1500 new reactors means that we will need to open a new reactor every 2 weeks beginning today, for the next 60 years. This is impossible as the current nuclear manufacturers are only capable of doing half this amount if they are pushed to their absolute capacity. Climate change cannot wait for Nukes.

   Begs the question of how long it would take to implement the alternatives, Cape Wind won’t be up and running for years either. Also the answer really isn’t nuclear or something else, its nuclear and something else, like conservation, greater efficencies and alternative energy sources. Also, if you look down the list of the 500 plants currently in use, there are a lot that are only rated at 400 MW. These are going to be replace with reactors three times their power in this equation.

   “Due to the opposition to radioactive dump sites many countries including the US are attempting to reprocess the nuclear waste, as a means of managing the waste. This is a dangerous technology, linked with increased Leukemia rates amongst children living nearby reprocessing plants as a result of increased radiation being released into the surrounding environment.”

   Due to opposition by people ill informed of the risk.

   The Sellafield site was used for munitions manufacturing and population mixing during WWII and this is seen as a more likely cause for the up tick than the re-processing plant.

   There are reports that children living around nuclear plants in France have a lower incidence of leukemia (ie British Journal of Cancer (2004) 91, 916-922), I could use this as evidence that the “radiation” given off from nuclear power is protective. One possibility is that they aren’t exposed to as many heterocyclic compounds, mercury or radiation due to lower coal usage in their envrionment. I won’t suggest this because its may be a perversion of the statistics to suit my preconceived notions and the fact that I only read the abstracts. Think about it this way, if the Love Canal community was built next to a nuke plant, it would probably be hard to convince the anti-nuke crowd that the problem wasn’t the radiation leaking from the plant. In similar situations you could imagine that a real killer is ignored because you’re so cock sure that its the bad atom. The conspiracy theorist would say that the Nuke industry payed for the counter studies. Which studies show an increased risk in CL? Just asking for a reference. Chernobyl and Nagasaki in the decades after the war doesn’t count

   “The process of mining uranium, along with he milling, processing, enrichment, fuel fabrication, and long term radioactive waste storage are all essential components of Nuclear Power generation and along with the construction are all major sources of greenhouse gas emissions.”

   The net per KWhr compared between wind, solar and nuclear would allow the reader to determine if this is relatively a lot of a little.

   “Nuclear cannot successfully replace fuel in cars, however solar systems can charge electric or hybrid cars.”

   If you think about this for two seconds, this doesn’t make sense. In addition, ethanol can be made from rubbish but it takes a lot of electricity to produce the SynGas to feed the bioreactors. Driven by anything but coal, this makes sense, take your pick of power source, I don’t care, but this is a way that nuclear could fuel your car. Doing this you could potentially take waste out of landfills and fill your tank at the same time.

   So there you have it, alternatives are not the savior of the planet if Nuclear can’t perform this function.

   Read the MIT report, it says that Nuclear energy has its problems but should be kept on the table as a means of combating global warming along with three other efforts. It also backs up much of what Craig says here, but it gives you the impression that these are problems to be solved, at least in my opinion.

   http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/org/n/nuclearpower/

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     Beam

     May 31, 2019 at 6:29 pm

     Here’s the problem with Nuclear Power Stations, there is as far as I can see no large corporation that can be trusted either because of greed or just plane stupidity. The nuclear industry of what ever stripe will fail to put safety above profit, they might start out with a promise but over a period those promises suffer the death of a thousand cuts over time.

     It comes down to Risk Management, if there exists even the slightest chance of a catastrophe then it’s not worth the risk. Past history has given us ample evidence of preventable disasters like the Three Mile Island in the US in fact there is a list of screwups at (https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/14/nuclear-power-plant-accidents-list-rank) the latest being the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant which cut corners knowing that Japan and the area around it suffers frequent Earthquakes, they saved money by building the seawall which was way to low and their alternate power supply to assure the ability to do a soft shutdown clearly was MIA because of putting cost before safety.

     The one thing I have yet to hear to counter deficiencies in power production is ways to reduce the staggeringly wasteful use of the power produced, a concept thats not likely to be taken on by those who create the Power is it? An example just off the top of my head is Street Lights, they are Power hungry so why not start with this, put LED lights in the curbs and direct that light horizontally across the road so as to illuminate anything on the roads?

     There are soooo many ways that we could reduce wastage and put savings towards employment to up grade things such as the aforementioned LED curb lighting and while we are at it put the wiring, water, gas, sewage and drains underground inside large tear drop concrete, run the power, gas, water etc. at the top, the bottom of these pipes is used to move drainage to separate oils and solids; organic and inorganic, for sorting and the water moved on to filtering/purification stations.

     The alternative is unsightly telegraph/light poles which kill people and lets face is soooo yesteryear. The other benefit is saving precious water and recycling the organic and inorganic materials and keeping them out of our lakes and oceans.

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